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- 1 2018
- 2 2019
- 2.1 I composed a Sotha Sil Super-Fan reading list because I love Seht, I love you guys, and I love books! (2019-01-18)
- 2.2 Fantasy cast for a War of the First Council movie: (2019-02-27)
- 2.3 Leamon Tuttle is ESO's New Loremaster (2019-03-07)
- 2.4 Hogithum safety tip: (2019-03-21)
- 2.5 Daedric workout equipment: (2019-03-22)
- 2.6 What is the correct pronunciation of the word "Chimer"? (2019-03-25)
- 2.7 Mehrunes Dagon infomercial: (2019-03-27)
- 2.8 Who wrote Sotha Sil and the Scribe? (2019-03-28)
- 2.9 Which Prince has the Snuggly realm of Oblivion? (2019-03-29)
- 2.10 Does Ysgramor's Soup Spoon rank as spoon? (2019-04-04)
- 2.11 All this talk of giant milk got me thinking: what TES creature's milk would you be super jazzed to try out? (2019-04-20)
- 2.12 Would milk from Sanguine's Black Goat taste different? (2019-04-23)
- 2.13 I imagine the Psijiic Domino Pig milk would taste of sparkles and take you back a few seconds? (2019-04-23)
- 2.14 Do Argonians have mammaries? Because it looks like they do but they're... reptiles? (2019-04-23)
- 2.15 Pronunciation of Nchuleftingth: (2019-05-15)
- 2.16 Would cutting a Dragon's wing like this really hurt it? (2019-06-09)
- 2.17 Will ESO will ever correct the dialogue from Ayleid to Aldmer as suggested by Lawrence Schick and previous lore (2019-06-11)
- 2.18 If you could be any Daedra, what would you be? (2019-06-14)
- 2.19 The Pronunciation Guide (2019-08-01)
- 2.20 I still have trouble pronouncing "CHIM" Is it "kim"? "cha im?" (2019-08-01)
- 2.21 Standoff between a Lefthanded Elf and a Yokudan: (2019-10-23)
- 2.22 The problem with the 3 alliances is that players of other TES games know who won, probably the Dominion. (2019-11-08)
- 2.23 Everything in ESO take place in 2E 582? How is this possible? (2019-12-09)
- 3 2020
- 3.1 Hot take: Sotha Sil is NOT marriage material. (2020-01-22)
- 3.2 Forget your zodiac sign which daedra are you? (2020-02-07)
- 3.3 How many lean cuisines can an Argonian fit in his mouth this is important (2020-02-13)
- 3.4 Credits for Murkmire (2020-02-22)
- 3.5 Does Shelaria have a Pyre Watch Jackal mount? (2020-05-24)
- 3.6 In some mythology, vampires do have a reflection but the mirror reveals genitals true age which is why they avoid them. Has this been addressed in the case of The Elder Scrolls? (2020-06-03)
- 3.7 What exactly are Hagraven Squeezings? (2020-06-19)
- 3.8 Sotha Sil's favorite ice cream flavor (2020-08-11)
- 3.9 Does sotha sil poop (2020-08-25)
- 3.10 What's the deal with Dro-m'Athra horses? They're not khajiit; how can that exist? (2020-08-31)
- 3.11 On the state of the timeline (2020-09-08)
- 3.12 Could we get the intact Reman banners on Lake Rumare as furnishings? (2020-09-08)
- 3.13 What's your favourite culture on Tamriel? (2020-09-08)
- 3.14 How did the dragons survive all that time without food? Do the Halls of Colossus have some sort of magical suspended animation that was not disclosed? (2020-09-17)
- 3.15 Who voices Rada al-Saran? (2020-09-20)
- 3.16 On the writing process (2020-09-21)
- 3.17 How is CHIM pronounced? (2020-10-26)
- 3.18 Almalexia is a murderer (2020-11-03)
- 3.19 Does tamriel have a geneva convention set of rules for war? (2020-11-03)
- 3.20 Why do most of the Reachmen in Markarth have Scottish accents? (2020-11-06)
- 3.21 On Morihaus (2020-11-10)
- 3.22 I adore Famia, you really did a good job on this one (2020-11-26)
- 3.23 Fun facts about Dagon (2020-12-10)
- 3.24 On the spelling "Molag Ball" (2020-12-14)
- 3.25 Not a dig at fandoms but a genuine question - Why are people so deadset to police others when writing characters as to how a certain character would act based on organization/race? (2020-12-29)
- 3.26 On how socially acceptable Amalien is (2020-12-29)
- 4 2021
- 4.1 On the name/spelling of the group of Argonians that worship Dagon in Blackwood (2021-01-26)
- 4.2 Do you have the real Mysterium Xarxes be honest (2021-01-26)
- 4.3 Those robes and masques in the Blackwood Trailer look very Mythic Dawnish. Do Dagonic cults always share the same fashion sense? (2021-01-26)
- 4.4 The Knight of Marrow may be one of my favorite ESO characters. Well done! (2021-03-22)
- 4.5 On Revus' quest in Gnisis with Jason Barnes (2021-04-01)
- 4.6 Would Lyris Titanborn and Sai Sahan's child be a Redguard Half-Giant? (2021-04-09)
- 4.7 Are there exceptions to children of two different races not being the mother's race, outside of Bretons? (2021-04-09)
- 4.8 On the name of Meridian Guardians (2021-05-12)
- 4.9 Memes on Morihaus (2021-09-02)
- 4.10 On fans who use lore questions as an excuse to flex rather than to teach (2021-09-08)
- 4.11 Netch reproduction thoughts (2021-09-17)
- 4.12 On the origin of Molag Bal's various Daedric servants (2021-10-11)
- 4.13 On fans criticizing other fan's original characters (2021-10-11)
- 5 2022
- 5.1 I am told you are a grand oracle and you can tell me what a Daedra is. Ah! More sages? I need all the help I can get! (2022-04-01)
- 5.2 I expect your chimney inspection endeavor to appear as a side quest sometime. ;) (2022-04-07)
- 5.3 Are there angry/volatile/feral/carnivorous Silt Striders that would attack/eat Men&Mer? Are there no such documented cases yet? Would that even be possible? No one even tried to weaponize them either?๐ (2022-04-07)
- 5.4 The existence of ogrim nipplies implies they can be milked (2022-04-12)
- 5.5 You might agree that this realistic Bulbasaur could be from Black Marsh (2022-04-13)
- 5.6 On Wyrd and Druid inaccuracies (2022-04-24)
- 5.7 Farewell as Loremaster (2022-04-27)
These are a few notable comments from Leamon Tuttle on The Elder Scrolls setting and development of the games. Tuttle is known as @TuttlePower on twitter and u/ZOS_LeamonTuttle on reddit. These comments were originally archived by The Imperial Library.
2018[edit]
I know ESO writers are on twitter and I hope I'll get to meet the people who worked on CWC to tell them how much I love it and how much I love Luciana (2018-11-03)[edit]
So glad you guys enjoyed hanging out with her, and exploring CWC. She's one of my favorites too.
The Duke will give your pleas due consideration, featherless!
2019[edit]
I composed a Sotha Sil Super-Fan reading list because I love Seht, I love you guys, and I love books! (2019-01-18)[edit]
If you dig the Father of Mysteries, you might dig these, too.
- The Handbook -- Epictetus
- On the Freedom of the Will -- Arthur Schopenhauer
- Beyond Good and Evil -- Friedrich Nietzsche
- The Sickness Unto Death -- Soren Kierkegaard
- Catcher in the Rye -- J.D. Salinger
- The Great Gatsby -- F Scott Fitzgerald
Fantasy cast for a War of the First Council movie: (2019-02-27)[edit]
- Dumac: Stellan Skarsgard
- Almalexia: Charlize Theron
- Sotha Sil: Daniel Day-Lewis
- Vivec: James McAvoy
- Nerevar: Oscar Isaac
- Kagrenac: Ciaran Hines
- Voryn Dagoth: Michael Fassbender
- Alandro Sul: Toby Kebbel
- Vin Diesel: Numidium, obviously. ๐
Leamon Tuttle is ESO's New Loremaster (2019-03-07)[edit]
Hey gang,
Thank you for the votes of confidence and well-wishes! Lawrence left a pair of Frankenstein-scale boots to fill, but I'll do my best to keep the lore we all love at the quality-level you've come to expect from ZOS.
See you in Tamriel!
PS โ I like turtles!
Hogithum safety tip: (2019-03-21)[edit]
Important Hogithum safety tip: check your weather app before calling on Azura today!
Just remember this easy rhyme: "Sunny day? Summon away! Looks like rain? You'll go INSANE!"
Daedric workout equipment: (2019-03-22)[edit]
Had this great idea for a Peryite-themed workout machine called the Taskmaster. You tie canvas bags full of wet rats to a series of pullies, then lift till you barf.
Damn it. I should have called it the Taskblaster. That's way more metal.
What is the correct pronunciation of the word "Chimer"? (2019-03-25)[edit]
KEYE-mer. Like the eye you see with.
Mehrunes Dagon infomercial: (2019-03-27)[edit]
Had another idea for a Daedric infomercial, selling Mehrunes' Razor like a Slap-Chop. Starts with smiling salesman talking about slicing carrots. Ends with the studio devastated by fire and earthquakes--salesman laughing, his head wreathed in flame.
Carrots remain unsliced.
Who wrote Sotha Sil and the Scribe? (2019-03-28)[edit]
Weren't me. :)
Which Prince has the Snuggly realm of Oblivion? (2019-03-29)[edit]
I gotta believe that Sanguine has some comfy couches. I just wouldn't shine a black light on them.
Does Ysgramor's Soup Spoon rank as spoon? (2019-04-04)[edit]
If Ysgramor says something's a spoon, it's a spoon. :P
All this talk of giant milk got me thinking: what TES creature's milk would you be super jazzed to try out? (2019-04-20)[edit]
My personal list of most intriguing milks (in no particular order):
Psijic Domino Pig
Echatere
Vvardvark? Maybe? Someone find me a Telvanni experimental anatomy book.
The amount of people suggesting "Goblin Milk" is a little unnerving.
Would milk from Sanguine's Black Goat taste different? (2019-04-23)[edit]
I bet it tastes like black jelly beans - the most sinister candy in the world.
I imagine the Psijiic Domino Pig milk would taste of sparkles and take you back a few seconds? (2019-04-23)[edit]
Island peopled entirely by super smart mages ... farms full of super smart pigs. They're obviously drinking pig milk to get smarter. #notcanon
Do Argonians have mammaries? Because it looks like they do but they're... reptiles? (2019-04-23)[edit]
You know there's no way I'm answering that! The puzzle of Argonian breasts is as old as time itself.
Pronunciation of Nchuleftingth: (2019-05-15)[edit]
nuh-CHOO-lehf-TINGTH
nih-CHOO-lehf-TINGTH (pretty sure someone else asked me about this a couple months ago. ๐) (2019-08-02)
Would cutting a Dragon's wing like this really hurt it? (2019-06-09)[edit]
You ever get a paper cut on that bit of skin between your fingers? It ain't pleasant!
Will ESO will ever correct the dialogue from Ayleid to Aldmer as suggested by Lawrence Schick and previous lore (2019-06-11)[edit]
The text that identified Bewan as an Ayleid ruin was corrected months ago, but the audio remained out of sync. The corrected voiceover should be in-game before long.
If you could be any Daedra, what would you be? (2019-06-14)[edit]
For me, it depends on the year.
11 year-old me would be a Clannfear because they give zero f's and Jurassic Park is rad. 17 year-old me would be a Xivilai, because they're ripped but never work out or eat responsibly. 22 year-old me would be a Seeker because I desperately needed to graduate from college. 27 year-old me would still be a Seeker because I desperately needed to graduate from college again. 29 year-old me would be a Frost Atronach because I needed to chill out and pursue my dreams with icy, relentless determination. 31 year-old me would be a Watcher because they never sleep, and there's no way a baby will eat a marble without them noticing. Now year-old me would be an Ogrim because they can make a million mistakes but no one blames them because they're both super dumb and super strong.
The Pronunciation Guide (2019-08-01)[edit]
One of the duties of a Loremaster is to record the "Pronunciation Guide" -- a catalog of wavs that actors can reference when confronted by difficult lore-words. It's a crazy internal database. But every word in the Pronunciation Guide exists in the game somewhere, so take a stroll in Tamriel and see what you can find!
I always respected our voice actors, but after saying some of this stuff myself. Holy shit. Our actors are amazing.
I still have trouble pronouncing "CHIM" Is it "kim"? "cha im?" (2019-08-01)[edit]
People in the second era commonly pronounce it "CHIM" as in chimney. But CHIM's an ancient and powerful word, and pronunciations often change over time.
Standoff between a Lefthanded Elf and a Yokudan: (2019-10-23)[edit]
Sinistral Mer: "I admit it, you are better than I am."
Yokudans: "Then why are you smiling?"
Sinistral Mer: "Because I know something you don't know."
Yokudans: "And what is that?"
Sinistral Mer: "I am not left han-"
Yokudans: *stab stab stab*
The problem with the 3 alliances is that players of other TES games know who won, probably the Dominion. (2019-11-08)[edit]
Tiber Septim disagrees.
Everything in ESO take place in 2E 582? How is this possible? (2019-12-09)[edit]
Yeah, we edited the body text of "Birds of Wrothgar" to reduce confusion on this point. I think there are good arguments both for and against, but remaining in 582 is the current deign decision.
2020[edit]
Hot take: Sotha Sil is NOT marriage material. (2020-01-22)[edit]
Player: "Seht, will you marry me?"
Sotha Sil: "Marriage? A fleeting indulgence. What you perceive as benevolent kismet is merely the distillation of millions of thoughtless moments, all leading to--"
Player: "So, that's a yes!"
"I'm sorry I missed our most recent anniversary ... And the one hundred seventy-six preceding it. Things have been very busy in the Throne Aligned. By the way, I'll be unavailable tomorrow. And for several decades afterward."
"I hope you enjoyed your meal. I had AIOS increase the sodium content by .07%" Just the way you like it."
Player: "Aw, hun. You seem depressed. What's got you down?"
Sotha Sil: **deep breath**
Player: "Oh boy..."
Forget your zodiac sign which daedra are you? (2020-02-07)[edit]
Probably Meridia. I can be obsessive, self-righteous, and I hate gross stuff.
How many lean cuisines can an Argonian fit in his mouth this is important (2020-02-13)[edit]
40. Next Question.
Credits for Murkmire (2020-02-22)[edit]
Been receiving a lot of generous praise for Murkmire, and I really appreciate it. But as I've said before, no single game developer ever achieves anything alone. Without our zone lead, Ed Stark, our content devs, Andrew Young, Tom Murphy, and others, Murkmire wouldn't exist.
And that's just the content side of things! World-builders created an unbelievably complex, believable ecosystem in Murkmire, encounter designers populated it with exciting monsters, animators brought our characters to life - all of these folks are storytellers.
Then there are engineers, QA testers, Concept artists, Figure Artists, VFX Artists, Audio Developers, Producers, on and on and on. Not to mention directors like Rich Lambert and Jeremy Sera who have to marshal all of that into a cohesive whole.
My point is, no one achieves anything without a team of like-minded, dedicated people all rowing in the same direction. It's true in game development and it's true in any large, worthwhile endeavor. The best achievements are the ones you share with others!
Does Shelaria have a Pyre Watch Jackal mount? (2020-05-24)[edit]
She rides a jackal in her Meet the Character entry. ๐
In some mythology, vampires do have a reflection but the mirror reveals genitals true age which is why they avoid them. Has this been addressed in the case of The Elder Scrolls? (2020-06-03)[edit]
I'm fairly certain the relationship between mirrors and vampire genitalia will never be explored in TES Lore. Sorry to be a buzzkill.
What exactly are Hagraven Squeezings? (2020-06-19)[edit]
Go squeeze some hagravens and find out!
Note: Leamon does not necessarily endorse the squeezing of hagravens. Side effects may include deep talon-wounds, eternal curses, and (in rare cases) heart removal.
Sotha Sil's favorite ice cream flavor (2020-08-11)[edit]
"31 flavors? A diverting illusion. My brother revels in the theatrics of taste-tests and tiny spoons. But ultimately we returnโas we always doโto our fated cone. For me, it is Rocky Road. Only the Prisoner can reach beyond the creamy kaleidoscope and seize the 32nd flavor."
Does sotha sil poop (2020-08-25)[edit]
Everyone poops
... or DO THEY?
Followup: we need to know about Sotha Sil's bodily functions for Scienceโข please elaborate
We definitely don't need to know.
What's the deal with Dro-m'Athra horses? They're not khajiit; how can that exist? (2020-08-31)[edit]
Some careless stable boy left the catnip and Daedric oats sitting out. (The most dangerous kind of oats.) I don't even know why farmers buy Daedric oats, tbh. (Not canon.)
On the state of the timeline (2020-09-08)[edit]
As for this issue, we spoke about this in the AMA. We haven't moved the timeline forward. That's to allow players to engage with the content in any order. You're free to interpret your personal timeline any way you choose, but 2E 582 is the date we cite. That said, you'll get more out of certain content if you do it "in order" -- specifically the releases dealing with the Daedric triad. (Morrowind > Clockwork City > Summerset)
In other words, even if dialogue implies a correct chronology, we should fill in the blanks and headcanon a reason for an out of order playthrough?
Yup. We can't control your brains. ๐ If you formulate a personal narrative that takes you through content in a certain order, you should feel free to make whatever connections feel appropriate for your character. But as of right now, we're staying in 582.
Could we get the intact Reman banners on Lake Rumare as furnishings? (2020-09-08)[edit]
I will forward your request to the Grand Housing Council. I'll be abducted by math-grabbers and tortured by the ghosts of Loremasters Past if I say more.
What's your favourite culture on Tamriel? (2020-09-08)[edit]
Argonians.
How did the dragons survive all that time without food? Do the Halls of Colossus have some sort of magical suspended animation that was not disclosed? (2020-09-17)[edit]
Khunzar-ri stocked it full of twinkies and canned vegetables before he left. He wasn't a _monster_! #notcanon
Who voices Rada al-Saran? (2020-09-20)[edit]
Ike Amadi
On the writing process (2020-09-21)[edit]
I'm definitely not the loremaster for the entire series. ๐ The franchise began at BGS, and those guys worked on it long before I came along. I'm the loremaster for ZOS.
I don't write all the plotlines. We have a large, talented staff of storytellers that craft our stories.
I do a bunch of writing and yeah, I advise different teams on issues regarding the lore.
I'm one link in a very, very long chain. Everyone in game development is. ๐
How is CHIM pronounced? (2020-10-26)[edit]
CHIM like Cheese. The word itself is like "Chim Chimney Chim Chimney Chim Chim Charoo"
Followup: Were you aware of MK's intended pronunciation?
You'll have to ask Lawrence that one. The pronunciation was in place when I donned the cowl.
Almalexia is a murderer (2020-11-03)[edit]
Every member of the Tribunal has taken actions that led directly to people's death. All of them chose power against the Hortator's wishes. Vivec and Sotha Sil both repeatedly admit as much. Almalexia just happens to be the least self-aware about it.
Does tamriel have a geneva convention set of rules for war? (2020-11-03)[edit]
Tamrielic history is basically one long line of war crimes. See Pelinal, the Alessian Order, the Aldmeri Dominion, Ysgramor's 500, Tiber Septim, the Ra Gada, House Dres, the An-Xileel, the Longhouse Emperors, Darloc Brae, King Joile, etc, etc, etc.
Why do most of the Reachmen in Markarth have Scottish accents? (2020-11-06)[edit]
As an isolated culture, they've developed their own dialect over time. Accents develop regionally.
On Morihaus (2020-11-10)[edit]
I've been cooking up a "Snorihaus" joke all day. It's gonna be a good one. No bull!
I adore Famia, you really did a good job on this one (2020-11-26)[edit]
So glad you dig it! Huge team effort, with fearless leader, Ed Stark and many, many others. Stay moist, beeko!
Fun facts about Dagon (2020-12-10)[edit]
Now that the trailer is out, Leamon's stanning of Dagon can begin in earnest. Have I ever told you guys how much I love Dagon?
Other Princes hate Dagon cuz he always wins push-up contests.
Dagon is GREAT at parties! (As long as the party is at someone else's house.)
On the spelling "Molag Ball" (2020-12-14)[edit]
Molag Ball is the official sport of the Worm Cult. First necromancer to kick a human head through a dark anchor chain-link wins the honor of not being sacrificed by Mannimarco.
Not a dig at fandoms but a genuine question - Why are people so deadset to police others when writing characters as to how a certain character would act based on organization/race? (2020-12-29)[edit]
I don't often throw my weight around like this, but for those reading this who don't know me, I am the Loremaster for Elder Scrolls Online.
Hear me on this, TES fans: Gatekeeping SUCKS. It's not your job to stamp out perceived dissent, or preserve the sanctity of the franchise.
You can totally hold our feet to the fire If we screw up at the studio, but fans can express themselves however they want. Creativity is a GOOD thing. Letting people play inside the franchise and push the boundaries of the fiction enriches some people's experience in Tamriel.
We confront this issue during development constantly. "Would an Altmer do thus?" In a world as vast and complicated as Tamriel, we cut against type a lot, because a world peopled entirely by snooty egotists is boring.
Character like Revus Demnevanni (slavery hating Telvanni) or Amalien (disabled Altmer who wasn't treated as a hulkynd) exist in the lore. They are not the norm, but they exist.
There's ABSOLUTELY a place for people who love the lore and want to debate the hard specifics (I am one of them). But policing other people's expression with their own characters on their own time is lame.
On how socially acceptable Amalien is (2020-12-29)[edit]
Amalien's parents rejected the cultural notion of perfection and raised her with love and support regardless of the social hazards. Like many other normal people would.
I know the hulkynd thing has been grinding gears. Cultural practices (even zealously enforced ones) aren't completely inescapable. People willing to take risks can resist this stuff - often at a price, of course.
2021[edit]
On the name/spelling of the group of Argonians that worship Dagon in Blackwood (2021-01-26)[edit]
Sul-Xan
Do you have the real Mysterium Xarxes be honest (2021-01-26)[edit]
If I start blabbering about nymic shenanigans, you'll know what's up.
[edit]
Cultist chic transcends eras.
The Knight of Marrow may be one of my favorite ESO characters. Well done! (2021-03-22)[edit]
Thanks! Michelle Graves did the quest design for that one. It was a ton of fun! Clockwork trivia: the serial number of the Factotum love poem is my initials/birthday, showing once again that the most satisfying Easter eggs are the ones no one will ever notice or care about.
On Revus' quest in Gnisis with Jason Barnes (2021-04-01)[edit]
Yeah! That's definitely one of my faves. :D
For the record, the lyrical genius of "Kwama, Kwama, don't you wanna be a mama" was all Jason!
Would Lyris Titanborn and Sai Sahan's child be a Redguard Half-Giant? (2021-04-09)[edit]
Their child would have giant ancestry, so it's possible they would carry the "really big" trait, just like Lyris.
Are there exceptions to children of two different races not being the mother's race, outside of Bretons? (2021-04-09)[edit]
Yes, when people of two different human races have children, those children bear features of both races. See Aeliah Renmus.
On the name of Meridian Guardians (2021-05-12)[edit]
Meridimincers. (in jest)
Memes on Morihaus (2021-09-02)[edit]
Tired: "Morihaus was a winged man with a bull head."
Wired: "Morihaus was a winged bull with a man head."
Inspired: "'Man-Bull' was a mispronunciation of 'Mandible' and Morihaus was just a set of clattering mechanical teeth."
On fans who use lore questions as an excuse to flex rather than to teach (2021-09-08)[edit]
I do Elder Scrolls lore for a living. I don't like throwing my weight around, but this issue crops up a lot and I want to be clear. Anyone who uses the lore as a cudgel to beat down people's creativity is fundamentally misreading the lore. Don't be that person. That person sucks.
Netch reproduction thoughts (2021-09-17)[edit]
have _a lot_ of thoughts about Bull Netch legs. Like, maybe too many. You guys are ridiculous. I was off work yesterday, but ended up researching arthropodal and cnidarian reproductive practices in my spare time ... because of YOU. I hope you're all happy!
NOTE: This is general biological theory, not established lore!
Sexual dimorphism has all sorts of evolutionary benefits. Extra appendages for a male might prove advantageous for "rut" sparring with other bulls, grasping during copulation, etc
Given the extreme sexual competition in netch herds (bull harems servicing a single betty) it makes sense that bulls would develop stronger and more numerous limbs for sparring.
On the origin of Molag Bal's various Daedric servants (2021-10-11)[edit]
Molag Bal has a history of hybridizing different morphotypes in his vile laboratory -- see Xivkyn, etc.
On fans criticizing other fan's original characters (2021-10-11)[edit]
Your OC is valid! If gatekeepers keep giving you trouble, tell them I said that's sucky behavior and a fundamental misreading of Elder Scrolls lore.
- @IceFireWarden: "what exactly do you mean by misreading the lore? I feel like there's always a time and a place for noncanon interpretation, and in a RP Guild especially, being lore friendly both makes total sense and is valid."
Any interpretation of the lore that's presented as "correct" a priori is a misreading of how the lore works. "Lore friendly" as a concept is a vast sliding scale with near-infinite shades of gray. It's not an either/or.
Like I said elsewhere, if you and your buds favor strict adherence to a specific group of shared premises, that's your business. But I'd hope that would be made crystal clear to potential applicants, and that those applicants wouldn't be shamed for favoring different ideas.
- @MonoJonno: "It sounds like telling them "no" is what is considered to be an incorrect reading of lore according to this thread, rather than someone having rules for playing an extinct race."
I think we're conflating two related but different issues: one is this idea of freedom of association with people who share your premises. The other is ruling on the validity of specific OCs.
I think it's possible to cobble out spaces for stricter compliance with specific lore-readings while also treating other OCs with respect, even if they're not a great match for your particular version of Tamrielic lore.
But, just like anything else, this all starts with good will and respect. We can have discussions like this without making rulings on the validity of someone's creation.
- @TESbenefactor: "When it comes to TES the overlap between official and headcanon is a patchwork tapestry that is woven together. [...] Gatekeeping or accepting all headcanon is a double edged sword. Taken to the extreme either leads to the deterioration of a community. The former prevents people from expressing free thought, the latter stifles critical analysis as it strays from the source material."
A lot of this relates to venue, right? There are places where fans grapple with the texts and engage in rigorous debate with citations, etc. That's obviously a totally valid activity - one I personally enjoy. What I take issue with is people stamping out exercises in creativity.
Ideally, TES should provide opportunities to flex those creative muscles. And as Lawrence and I have repeatedly said, lore is (to some extent) an exercise in personal imagination.
How closely someone hews to the more popular interpretations of events is a choice they make as an individual. If that interpretation is so fundamentally at odds with your own that it causes massive dissonance, maybe it's worth finding a group that's more in line with that.
But regardless of that potential dissonance, there should not (within the context of RP) be an attitude of exclusion that elevates one pov over another as fundamentally "correct."
- @TESbenefactor: "There is no correct way to interpret TES lore but there can and should be times when an attitude of exclusion should be taken."
I think we're mostly on the same page here. Establishing groups that gather around a series of shared premises is totally fine. But people should be completely transparent about what that means for potential applicants, etc.
And they should approach those conversations from a place of humility--discussing those differences of opinion as just that, differences of opinion. Not ruling on the validity of the applicant's interpretations writ large and holding their own interpretation up as "correct."
- @MonoJonno: "You have the right to associate with who you choose, but does this mean it's okay to think someone is wrong on lore, specifically in a group lore context."
It's _absolutely_ okay to disagree with someone's interpretation of the text. I do it all the time. But the point I think you're failing to see is that those disagreements are fundamentally subjective. There's no exterior, objective rubric by which to judge who is "wrong."
I would never say, "Don't argue about this stuff." I love arguing about this stuff. But those arguments need to be tempered with humility and an acknowledgement that just because someone disagrees with you does not mean that they are wrong.
Again, if a group of RPers have a mutually agreed upon interpretation of the lore and that forms the backbone of their association, that's completely fine. But they need to be extremely clear about those expectations and treat people who disagree with respect.
You could even go the extra mile of creating a looser group in addition to the other, or helping to guide that other RPer to a group with a more expansive view.
It really comes down to respect, decency, and a desire to help people express themselves, not shut them down. Again, this is an issue that crops up in all sorts of places, not just the dynamics of rp guilds.
- What if someone wanted to claim there were 13 Divines?
It would certainly conflict with people's widely accepted interpretation of the text, yes. But why not follow it through? Why not help guide them to something that encourages a shared exercise of creativity? Examples:
(1) Perhaps their OC discovered gnostic texts deep within the Imperial Library that refers to an extra set of forgotten Divines, now they're on a quest to rediscover the rest of that historian's work.
(2) Maybe their OC had visions from some force in Aetherius that spoke of a mysterious council of hidden ada, and now they have to decipher the message.
(3) Maybe their OC comes from a lesser known tradition of Nibenese monks who worship like 80 divines.
- How to resolve conflicts between different interpritations of lore
We start from a place of respect. Say, "Hey, our group leans toward X interpretation of the lore. Let me help you either (A) sculpt your NPC to fit within the framework, or (B) find you a welcoming RP group where your OC will really flourish on her own terms."
This has nothing to do with anyone being right or wrong. It has everything to do with helping the community stay a welcoming and helpful place.
I favor a collaborative and welcoming lore community where we're all invested in the joy and creativity of our fellow Tamrielic explorers--even/especially when we disagree. If that's too much of a chore, that's a bummer.
2022[edit]
I am told you are a grand oracle and you can tell me what a Daedra is. Ah! More sages? I need all the help I can get! (2022-04-01)[edit]
Strongly recommend NOT consulting with Sheogorath for this, or really any problem you might encounter in Tamriel. Dwarven texts might hold some answers. Hope you like math, though. And sword-wielding robots.
I expect your chimney inspection endeavor to appear as a side quest sometime. ;) (2022-04-07)[edit]
Attending a chimney inspection today. To check for bats. Or fathers dressed up like Santa Claus. Alas, no bats, birds, or unintentionally hilarious childhood traumas.
Gerard: "Bats in the chimney? Certainly not. Here, have a look!"
Rada al-Saran pops out like the Grinch.
Are there angry/volatile/feral/carnivorous Silt Striders that would attack/eat Men&Mer? Are there no such documented cases yet? Would that even be possible? No one even tried to weaponize them either?๐ (2022-04-07)[edit]
They're gentle giants! (Link to Dark Elves, Dark Hearts)
The existence of ogrim nipplies implies they can be milked (2022-04-12)[edit]
๐ [Robert DeNiro stops eating dinner gif]
You might agree that this realistic Bulbasaur could be from Black Marsh (2022-04-13)[edit]
The Hist work in mysterious ways! :P
On Wyrd and Druid inaccuracies (2022-04-24)[edit]
Yeah, I can see it. I think it's a matter of imprecise writing. Good call-out, though.
Will fix.
Proto-Bretons were not manmer until after prolonged contact with the Altmer immigrants.
Farewell as Loremaster (2022-04-27)[edit]
Hey gang - So, after three years of plumbing the lore of Tamriel, I'm leaving my role as Loremaster on ESO and taking on a new challenge as Loremaster for our studio's exciting new project. Rest assured, the position remains in good hands. (1/8)
My successor is knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and ready to take the lore of Tamriel to new heights. I can't wait for you all to meet them on Friday!
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for all you do. The ESO community is a vibrant expression of love for the IP, but more importantly, it's an expression of love for one another.
Your artistry, creativity, and good will help sustain not just the game itself, but also the people who create it. Making games is an exciting and fulfilling job, but like all jobs, it can get tough. In those moments when the work is hardest, I always think about you guys.
I think about of the fan who told me our game helped them find their best friend, and the fan who told me ESO helped them overcome post-partum depression, and the fan who told me about the time they spent in Tamriel with a parent who'd passed away. That's why we do this.
That's the stuff that really matters.
The world of Tamriel has been around for nearly thirty years. With your help, I'm sure it will live on for thirty-plus more. Just remember that whoever you are and however you choose to engage with the world of the Elder Scrolls, you belong. You make it real.
So, yeah. In the words of a wise, fez-wearing scholar I once knew, "The lore is yours." See you in Tamriel.
-Lemon Turtle