Lore talk:Boethiah

A Woman?

Why is it that Boethiah is sometimes referred to as a goddess, or a woman? I never finished Daggerfall or Arena, so I can't really say if he/she was a woman in one of them, but I doubt it was a typo when it appears in Lore:Tamrielic Lore, under Ebony Mail. Benjaman36 01:27, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

It could be that Boethiah is like Mephala, who never has a default sex, and usually changes sex depending on the situation. But there are typos in quite a few of books made by the Developers, so I wouldn't discard that possibility. Allanon 03:33, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Same happened to Sanguine also in Daggerfall. (see Sanguine's Rose description) The book about Daedra in the games states they have no real gender and is preference, so perhaps Boethiah had sometimes appeared female for whatever reasons. Though not as much as Sanguine or Mephala, I could see him having reasons to be female to further his goals. — Unsigned comment by Kiutu (talk • contribs) on 6 December 2009

The name

I think it certain that he is named after the Boothia Peninsula in the north of Canada. If anyone disagrees, delete it from the article because I'm adding it now. --M'aiq the Liar ^Talk 21:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Do you have any type of reference to back up this assertion? Because as it stood, the edit you made to the page was completely unsupported. The names are spelled and pronounced differently, and there is no connection between a Canadian landscape feature and an Elder Scrolls god. So it needs some type of support, such as a citation from a game developer, to make it believable. --Nephele^Talk 22:00, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

In Greek, βοηθεια (boētheia) means "help, aid, rescue, support". A Latin transcription of this word would become "boethia", which is extremely similar to Boethiah. The meaning of the word is also rather fitting for a god of sorts. It seems plausible to me that this is what Boethiah is "named after". I don't recall seeing this suggested elsewhere, but I'm sure it has been suggested multiple times over the years, as this is a fairly common word even in beginner's level Greek. Quill 10:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I support Quill's assertion, it seems logical and it is hard to dispute it Corvus 12:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Except that Boethiah isn't really someone I'd associate with help, aid, rescue or support. More assasinate, undermine, abandon in a dangerous dungeon or backstab. — Unsigned comment by 85.191.86.135 (talk) at 13:51 on 26 February 2012 (GMT)

References

I'm having a lot of trouble tracking down some of the references for Boethiah. I can't seem to find any sources claiming that he ate Trinimac, or that he assisted Jagar Tharn. Could somebody with a better knowledge of older ES games help me in any way? Aeon 09:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

There are better sources than this one, but I've consumed too much Cyrodilic Brandy this evening to track them down. The True Nature of Orcs is a start. rpeh •T•C•E• 23:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hungers on the Shivering Isles

There is no certain reason for why there are hungers on the isles but I have a logical reason:

Hungers serve Boethiah, witch is "the Daedric prince who rules over deceit, conspiracy, secret plots of murder, assassination, treason, and unlawful overthrow of authority". They are also summoned by heretics, who are conspiring against Sheogorath have secret plots of assassination are traitors and want to overthrow the autority of Sheogorath. It would make sense if they were summoned for that reason and if Boethiah lended his minions to them (or made a deal).

This explanation is really logical and i was wondering if it could be written on the page (precising it's speculation)? — Unsigned comment by 74.13.179.35 (talk) on 24 August 2010

The page already has a lot of speculation, of which a lore page shouldn't have. It is a detailed and certainly possible reason, but another "it is possible" reason won't help the page. -- Jplatinum16 00:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Boethiah's Last Shrine

The article says a catastrophic event left Boethiah's last shrine at the bottom of the Sea of Ghosts. This is untrue. It is at the bottom of the Inner Sea, off the coast of Hla Oad. I didn't want to change it and start drama, so figured I'd point it out here. --174.61.162.8 00:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

You're right about that and I will tend to it. Eric Snowmane 00:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

How is he good?

How could Boethiah be a good Daedra? He seems evil to me. In his Daedric Quest of Skyrim, he tells you to get a follower to sacrifice. That is more of a betrayal. That doesn't seem good to me. Nicholasemjohnson (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2013 (GMT)

Comparison to Surtr

Moved from article

Despite sometimes being portrayed as female, Boethiah shows marked similarities to Surtr (Old Norse "black" or "the swarthy one") who rules the realm of fire and heat in Norse Mythology, whose flaming sword is described in the poem Völuspá - "there shines from his sword, the sun of Gods of the Slain." and is the Giant that will destroy the world. Boethiah is described as "...arrayed in ebony darker than a moonless night, wielding a blade burning hotter than the surface of the sun" and as "Goddess of Destruction" in the book Boethiah's Proving. — Unsigned comment by 86.173.219.242 (talk) at 14:07 on 16 April 2013

Completely irrelevant to this page imo. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 14:23, 16 April 2013 (GMT)

Not literally completely irrelevant but I am inclined to agree it has no place in the main article. It may be an idea though to consider the thought of creating a separate article if one does not exist already to list real world (mythology) references. I am unsure if such a page exists but it is a thought to consider. Just for reference purposes if nothing else. -Kharay (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2013 (GMT)

This page and similar for other games. We list etymologies on actual pages, as on Stalhrim (from Icelandic "steel ice" or "ice steel") and Farkas/Vilkas (both meaning "wolf"), but references go on Egg pages. We don't have a Lore page on Eggs; we place them on the page of the game they first appeared in. I don't think we have a Daggerfall page, so maybe Morrowind? Or whichever game that book first appeared in. That's if this is an Egg--I'm going neutral on this one without more information. Vely^►t►e 19:07, 16 April 2013 (GMT)

Eltonbrand?

Why does this article (and the Goldbrand lore article) refer to Eltonbrand as if it's part of the lore? It's clearly a joke and an easter egg, and should be reflected as such on the lore pages, if mentioned at all. The sword is only present in Morrowind, and only acquired after a very specific set of conditions are met that are not hinted at anywhere in the game, and it is accompanied with the message "Go to Hell, Carolina!", which isn't exactly lore friendly.

From the Morrowind page about the sword:

"The odd nature of this sword seems to stem from Bethesda developer Mark Nelson. The NBA basketball player Elton Brand was a member of his favorite team in college, the Duke Blue Devils (itself referred to by his nickname "BlueDev", and the object ID of the sword), whose most bitter rivals are the North Carolina Tar Heels. The number "11171" is variously thought to be a reference to Nelson's birthday, 11/1/1971, or to a 111–71 Duke victory over the Tar Heels. The name of the quest, "Shashev's Key", is also a reference to the long-time coach of the Blue Devils, Mike Krzyzewski, whose last name is pronounced "shə-SHEF-ski"."

Does this sound like something that should be represented as TES lore? At the very least provide this information, or someone might think this is actually a thing..— Unsigned comment by 114.182.231.121 (talk)

I haven't played Morrowind but your reasoning seems sound, at most it should a note on the Lore:Goldbrand page.--Talyyn (talk) 05:18, 12 March 2020 (GMT)

I take the somewhat naive view that "it is in the universe, so it is part of the lore." However, I think acknowledging its exceptional status is certainly warranted. Talyyn and I made a few adjustments that I think help draw attention to this without outright removing it. --Lost in Hyrule (talk) 05:30, 12 March 2020 (GMT)