Lore talk:Brarilu Theran

Lack of notability

Per the lore people notability rules, authors are explicitly blocked from having people pages unless there is historical significance outside of their book. Brarilu Theran only is significant in the context of being the book author and isn't mentioned outside of that. Thus, this page does not meet the notability guidelines for the lore section. Examples of notable authors include Vivec and Mannimarco, who are clearly loreworthy outside of their status as authors. Brarilu isn't anywhere close to that level. Jeancey (talk) 20:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Brarilu was a masterclass mage who learned and mastered a technique that hadn’t been replicated in his age, more than notable beyond just a guy who wrote a book which is what the rule you cited seeks to address. Dcking20 (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Per the lore people notability rules, authors are explicitly blocked from having people pages unless there is historical significance to them outside of being authors. Not if they only appear in their books. Brarilu Theran is notable mage and enchanter within the book.Tyrvarion (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Brarilu definitely qualifies as noteworthy in my opinion for his skill in enchanting and his worldwide travel. Examples of author lorepages that exist right now with less or equal significance include Tosmorn, Eoinola, Allaghach, Quill-Weave, Asliel Direnni, and Waughin Jarth. Mindtrait0r (talk) 20:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Which is a reason that those pages should probably be removed from lore, not reasons why this page should remain... Jeancey (talk) 21:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Being a famous historian/priest such as a Vateshran or father of Alchemy as a science is more than notable. Tyrvarion (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed that being a masterclass mage, known throughout for their accomplishments is rather notable. This page should remain.CoolBlast3 (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

(←) Just came across this. Currently, the entire article is based on his fame and purported accomplishments in a book that he himself wrote. There are lots of people who think they've done greater things than most other people would say they have. What external evidence do we have that Brarilu was famous/highly accomplished? If there's no corroborating evidence, then I believe this article should be deleted. If there is, then there's more of an argument to keep it. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 19:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

That argument is completely removed from how we treat sources in lore space. The reliability of all the sources we use on lore articles varies tremendously and the trust is placed in the readers to form their own conclusion of sources. The idea that a first hand account would have no lore weight because he is describing things from his own journey and his own personal abilities is very flawed. Dcking20 (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I feel like Brarilu's enchanting accomplishment is notable enough to deserve a biography page. This is in line with a recent positive trend in lorespace where we are recognising and documenting accomplished artisans and skill users alongside kings and nobles. Compare Lore:Smithing#Notable_Smiths, Lore:Aerin. —⁠Legoless (talk) 19:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Legoless. The recent trends in lorespace are beneficial to the wiki. As for external sources - well if we need such - reading the book does improve ones enchantment skill if one needs sources beyond those inside the book itself - which is on its own not, and never was a requirement for the page to be created. That approach is causing wiki to be incomplete and as such less useful. The page should stay in the form it is.Tyrvarion (talk) 19:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Another reason to believe the contents of the book is the Extra Effect perk in Skyrim, which requires level 100 Enchanting to unlock. To me, it seems like the book was written to provide an in-universe explanation for this mechanical gameplay limitation. —⁠Legoless (talk) 20:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)